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You say you're looking for enlightenment and you're looking for something new? How can you ask for something when you don't know what it is?

If you think you know what you're going out to look for something to achieve enlightenment, then you're looking for something you already know, which would actually be the past. The ultimate reality could never be perceived by you. So you end up in a bind where you would then have to look for something you know nothing of. You will then realize you can't seek nothing and maybe then when you simply be, you might come to understand and experience enlightenment without trying to because only when we are content to not know are you ready to know.

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Chrisp
If I ask myself "I wonder what will happen when I mix A and B?" the result will be enlightening, sought out and not from the past.
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Scott Cunningham
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You cannot know something would be enlightening unless you've already been enlightened ;)
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Scott Cunningham
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Oh also if you seek out something in hopes to be enlightened then you are seeking something achievable without seeking which is a double bind
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Chrisp
Do you mean that enlightenment is a one shot, like suddenly understanding the deep meaning of life and then you're done? My view on enlightenment is that you can be enlightened in many ways and many times. Before I was married, marriage was just a ceremony, but after it was something more.
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Scott Cunningham
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Chrisp, spiritual enlightenment is a specific kind of enlightenment
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Tadas
Scott Cunningham, how do you know? You said yourself that - "You say you're looking for enlightenment and you're looking for something new? How can you ask for something when you don't know what it is? If you think you know what you're going out to look for something to achieve enlightenment, then you're looking for something you already know, which would actually be the past." Now you say that the spiritual enlightenment is a specific kind of enlightenment. You contradict yourself
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Scott Cunningham
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Tadas, well spiritual enlightenment is the entire conversation. By definition that's what it's referring to. It's just the label we are giving it. We do not know how exactly to achieve it. Now you're just getting mixed up with words and labels we are applying to a state of being. There is no contradiction. There are two definitions of being enlightened and I don't want us to take away the real focus and put it on the terminology. Being enlightened to new information is not a spiritual enlightenment. I guess it would make more sense with the blog title I used for the blogs: "Are You Looking For Spiritual Enlightenment?" It's not an object of our knowledge, so we can't point to something and say that's it, like a marriage ceremony.
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thelevel
How can you know when you have an unclear goal? You can't. First get clear about what you're after and then go get it. Also, how do you know something is true? By what method do you come to know what is true? Gut checking what feels true? By quote? Science? By looking at what doesn't match?
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Scott Cunningham
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Because if your goal is spritual enlightenment you can't attain it. People with that goal are doing it to become "better"
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thelevel
Scott Cunningham, but even then, what does it look like to become spiritually enlightened? To know ones purpose, to understand God and his nature, or what? How could someone ever get there unless they got clarity on what winning looks like?
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Scott Cunningham
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thelevel, Because you don't become enlightened by trying to "win." In my opinion that is completely just a personal truth, I'd say you're one step closer to enlightenment by not seeking it out for personal gain.
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thelevel
Scott Cunningham, by win, I mean breakthrough in understanding. Where before theres a struggle and confusion, and then there is a point where theres understanding and clarity. How can someone become enlightened if it's not clear what it means?
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Scott Cunningham
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thelevel, Exactly. How do you know that you want to be enlightened if you don't know what that is? How could anyone want or pursue that? You don't pursue enlightenment. It's not something you can get by trying to get it because then we'd have missed the point entirely. You don't pursue divinity because someone who "wants" divinity could never be divine. You'd only want it to be "better" than yourself, better than someone else, etc. The realization that there is no you to be better and that it's an ego is the first the step.
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thelevel
Scott Cunningham, I dont know about all that. Just saying, if you want something... understanding, skills, to know purpose, if God exists... first clarity is needed on what those things actual are. For example, a person may seek enlightenment and then disregard spirit. Where spirits exists or dont but it may seem unimportant
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Scott Cunningham
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thelevel, sure, but that's the subtlety of it, you can't get clarity and then go seek it out.
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Hanover Fiste
Scott Cunningham, wow you sound like Buddha!
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Scott Cunningham
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Hanover Fiste, I've listened to every one of Alan Watts' lecture online 😉
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Flesh is overrated
When people built things they already knew how to, they just had to discover that knowledge and the methods of applying it externally. So maybe they want to discover enlightenment in themself?
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Scott Cunningham
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͠ ͋ ͥ ͫ ̔ ͗ᚘ̫ͩᚔ̨ᚋ, from my own understanding I think it's about realizing that you were always enlightened so yes
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Moofy
Eh kind of
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Scott Cunningham
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What are your thoughts?
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Hanover Fiste
He who thinks he knows, doesn't know. He who knows he doesn't know, really knows.
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Scott Cunningham
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Hanover Fiste, exactly, the first step to knowing is to know you know nothing.
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Younes Noeparast
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Younes Noeparast
Very very good
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🎺CommanderB...
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Isn't Enlightenment a process, a journey?
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Scott Cunningham
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🎺CommanderB..., Could be seen that way, but many consider spiritual enlightenment to be a snap realization that you could never lose. The mainstream term is "waking up." If that's what it is to you, more power to you though
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🎺CommanderB...
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Scott Cunningham, is there a process to become enlightened? I would like to learn how and more.
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Digitt
🎺CommanderB..., yes please see my comment below. I'd be keen to teach this stuff somehow. Maybe on Sola or steemit.
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, I don't believe it's a realization. I believe the realization comes after the enlightenment occurs. First you see something, then you realize it. I think enlightenment is the falling away of the ego and then one naturally sees the world for what it is and the realization comes. Also, some enlightened people didn't experience the realization right away. Elkhart tolle for example took weeks to understand what had happened to Him. Same with Sadhguru. Also I don't like the way people call it a realization because it implies it's a purely intellectual process. That somehow you can just have a change in mindset or find it through logic. Enlightenment is neurological more than anything.
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Digitt
🎺CommanderB..., when I say my comment below I mean not in this thread but if you scroll down below to where I started with a quote. I'd be happy to give some book recommendations etc. And maybe write up a course on the noble eight fold path oneday.
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Scott Cunningham
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Digitt, yeah that's fair. For me any form of realization that I had was instant. I quit my job, started making music and really just changed everything about my life. Now I'm living my best life.
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, yes but what we often don't realize is there was an entire process that led to the realization. It is instant but there was alot that led to it. You're living my dream. You produce music? So do I. I've been a musician since I was 4 and producing Since I was 12. Check out my Music (though the stuff up here is from 10 years ago) http://lifeindigittal.com/music
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Scott Cunningham
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Digitt, nice I will check it out! Yeah on my account @scottychams I want to show people that anyone can do anything
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, that's my goal too :) thanks please do :) if you like it, hit me up privately so we can chat
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Digitt
"With wisdom, everyday something is added. With enlightenment, everyday something is removed" - Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching. One can still have a goal to seek something they've never had. I've studied enlightenment for years so I understand what you're getting at but I think the way you explained it was illogical. Also I agree yes enlightenment can't be directly attained. But in a weird way, as per my quote, one can still work towards cultivating enlightenment. In the same way you can't make a seed turn into a plant but you can water it etc. The Buddha had specific instructions on how to bring enlightenment about, the noble eightfold path. But yes it's not directly attaining it as that is impossible and it's not something to attain. However it is the absence of suffering and suffering as defined by the Buddha is attachment to desire. Over the years I've let the obsessive searching for enlightenment play itself out and eventually die down. I don't seek it anymore. As it was as you said contradictory simply because it made me suffer and it was my ego trying to be "better". As a great Zen Master once said (I forgot who) "if you meet the (Image of the) Buddha, kill him. Kill him at once and return to your own Buddha nature". Still, talking about this stuff is just ego boosting. I haven't mentioned enlightenment in ages. But over time my neural pathways have unwired and decalcified. And I've experienced alot of pain and release of that pain from all the programming I've had for years, even lifetimes. Eventually it does dissolve and less and less attachment suffering and egoic programming is left. So in a way there are somewhat methods. But not directly. A famous Zen phrase is "Zen is a finger pointing at the moon. Do not confuse the finger for the moon." Love and Light
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🎺CommanderB...
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Does Enlightenment include or preclude love?
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Scott Cunningham
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Digitt, It's not so ego boosting. I mean, the highest form of enlightenment in Buddhism is a Buddha who comes back to teach others
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, I agree with you. I meant in my case it was ego boosting as I could feel my ego involved. I was talking about when one is on the path to enlightenment they often become attached to talking about it. Which I went through and don't have any desire for anymore.
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Digitt
🎺CommanderB..., depends what you mean by love. If you mean romantic love then that is something seperate (nothing wrong with it at all just nothing to do with enlightenment really). If you're talking about universal love for everything then yes, enlightenment is being in that love 24/7. Recognizing everything as One and therefore feeling that love for all beings and things.
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, not sure if I'd say it's the highest form. One could be extremely enlightened and not teach. Alan watts spoke about how a bodhisattva (a Buddha who comes back to teach others) is often revered by people cos they want that kind of behaviour. But it's their attachment that makes them praise a bodhisattva and think that they are better than one who doesn't come back to teach. I believe if Buddha hadn't come back to teach he would've been just as enlightened. Of course he did influence the world more positively by teaching. If you haven't checked out Alan watts, check Him out on youtube. He's amazing! :)
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Scott Cunningham
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Digitt, haha my friend, Alan Watts is my man. I share his stuff all the time, read his books and have listened to every lecture. I know he said that, but he also joked that is was somewhat selfish to not come back and share too. Emailed back and forth a bit with his son a few years back.
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, that made me smile man :) that's awesome :)
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, I wanted to email his son a few years ago but didn't. That's so awesome. What's his son like?
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, looks like you and I have alot in common
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Scott Cunningham
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Digitt, seems honestly just like a regular chill guy really
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Digitt, and yeah for real eh
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Digitt
Scott Cunningham, that's so awesome
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🎺CommanderB...
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Digitt, is it a unifying force or property? The ties that bind? The realization all mater, time and motion have a singular starting point?
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Scott Cunningham
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🎺CommanderB..., much better explained by string theory. Though people are now going with the holographic universe model too
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Tanüshka
if you see the illusion - you are enlightened, if you think you are enlightened - you are in illusion. shit. 🤷🏻♀️
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Enlightenment itself is a word of deep mystery, if you understood it you may be able to find path for inner enlightenment..
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Yes the main point is that most people don't know what enlightenment is and thus cannot firmly know that it is what they really want
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