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Let’s talk science 🤔

So let’s say, hypothetically, we have to move to another planet/satellite/piece of rock since we killed off Earth.

So we have to colonise the moon for now. Obviously we need some semblance of an atmosphere, oxygen, a bearable temperature, and good ol’ H2O to be able to grow anything.

How are we gonna do all that?

I have quite basic physics and chemistry knowledge, but I would personally just grow lots of plants on the moon so they release oxygen and carbon dioxide. Overtime the gases would hopefully create an atmosphere, which would also regulate the temperature. With a nice temperature, we could then get the water in from Earth to create a rudimentary water cycle…. I wonder if it’ll ever rain? 😶

I mean… it’s a bit weird because throughout the millions of years Earth has existed, the exact same amount of elements that have been in the beginning are still here. So it’s not like we can create those elements of Oxygen, Hydrogen or Carbon… we would need to steal them from (the dying) Earth… or from somewhere else? 👀 This reminds me of the theory that water came to Earth from elements that were transported on all the asteroids that were hitting the planet eons ago.

Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔 I’m confusing myself now…

Well, how would you guys make the moon habitable?

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Slowdowngandhi
First of all you need sth like an magnetosphere otherwise all of your other efforts for terraforming are basically useless. So that's why Mars is already not the best option. Don't know about the moon.
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Bravefoot投稿者
I thought the gravity would be enough to keep an atmosphere around...? 👀
Opie ♻️
Bravefoot, Mars lost an atmosphere some while back, because the solar wind whips it away. The planet isn't strong enough to hold it.
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Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, ohhh, didn’t know that! So the magnetic field on Earth, for example, is what is keeping our atmosphere around??
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Opie ♻️
The energy required for transforming other worlds will keep any settlement small, and people will be obliged to be highly disciplined, e.g. regimented, to keep the thing going. That's what's so entertaining about libertarians on Mars. They'll be doing voluntary servitude for their entire miserable existence. So the sooner they go the better.
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Bravefoot投稿者
I think we would be surprised on how many people wouldn’t mind doing that. I’m sure they would love to go down in history as one of the first people to colonise a new planet or whatever 🤔
Opie ♻️
Bravefoot, how many generations do you think that would last before they became like Americans or Australians, tied up in knots over their own bizarre legacies?
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Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, true true... they could rebel and cry for independence from earth... It’s kinda funny now that I’m thinking about it. I guess we’ll have to go to serious measures and not allow them to make children there - every new ‘coloniser’ should come from Earth alone 😈😂
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Opie ♻️
Bravefoot, yeah, and not just that, Earth should have the copyright on all social and cultural info. You can't just have people going off and plagiarising what took us millennia to develop. If they wanna have ideas, they should come up with their own.
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Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, well said, comrade! They should always be thankful of their true roots!
Slowdowngandhi
Sounds like a common sci-fi theme
Brandi Danes
Dear How to make the moon habitable? Funny for is there going to be Medical on this moon? Or how about Cars to drive you from point A to point B? The funny thing is (I Brandi don't know about your society) yet where I Brandi live no one bothers to Pick up their own trash! And you mean to tell me People on Earth are willing to become Real Live cave men again... Did you Sir or ma'am inform your household "Alexa" about your plans? For who here on Earth knows how to make and build a Fire on a Planet with no other life form? And I Brandi don't mean to insult you Ma'am but do you not need a Lab for even the most meadiocer chemistry? I Brandi was horrible in school yet its society who screw up this Only planet of Earth to only think like a Christian to do the most hanis of all types of Crime and Run to another planet in Forgiveness to Ruin something else God created... Look I Brandi think people should stop getting so high and touching the Sky in THE REALITY to Take care of THE ONLY planet we the Living Creaturss have! Why Not teach all "Earthlings" how to become more self aware of OUR HOME PLANET? Or is this too much Effort and Work on all of those who just want to flee from the scene of the Crime? Talk about Shady and DISLOYAL people... Or is this more so socially acceptable in most countries to Break the laws here on Earth and Run to another country... Oh I Brandi mean its called "The Moon" now... Wellp as long as there is you the Chemist I Guess humanity will be a ok! Thanks for your time and hope this Trip to the moon Honestly works out for you just wanted to be a Touch Honest with you is all- Brandi
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Bravefoot投稿者
Obviously there will be at first only a small settlement which will use something like ‘domes’ to do their work in. They will have the latest technology available at the time, so of course a medical bay as well. The problem is that we are trying to save our planet - though I agree we are failing at it. Even if we manage to save the planet from global warming, other reasons will need us to colonise other places in the Universe. For example, eventually we will outgrow our planet. Or we will need additional resources that Earth doesn’t have anymore. I don’t believe that we can live on Earth forever and ever, it’s just not realistic.
Slowdowngandhi
I'm interested in both social justice and science. So why not do/combine both?
Pluto 🚲
I do not think its possible to terraform the moon. But I think that Elon Musk proposed the idea of nuking the poles of mars to release CO2 into the atmosphere to enhance a greenhouse effect. When its warm enough you can plant trees to produce oxygen.
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Bravefoot投稿者
That sounds kind of logical 🤔 But I would be worried about all the radioactive substances also being released. I hope they want to use non-nuclear bombs 😬
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Mich Millner (puhn)
I’m so sorry to say, technology is the least problem. If we are not able to have a consent society, we are fucked on any planet. It starts with those little things like who owns the planet and who makes the rules
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Bravefoot投稿者
True, but will the human race ever become perfect and polite and caring? There will always be those ‘nasty’ specimens that will be a tad too greedy and that don’t care about others and the environment 😩 I believe the best we can do is simply try to survive and develop as best as we can so that the human race can live on
Mich Millner (puhn)
Bravefoot, what makes you believe the human race deserve to live on in this Universe? Either they are smart enough or disappear quite fast. And no one would really care
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Bravefoot投稿者
Mich Millner (puhn), obviously no one deserves to, but I believe every species exists because of their innate need to keep living. So I’m not saying that the human race HAS to keep on living - I think our instincts as a whole will cause us to do whatever we can to live on
Opie ♻️
Mich Millner (puhn), yeah. As soon as we discover intelligent life elsewhere, we'll die of embarrassment after seeing how peaceful and civilised they are.
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Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, who knows, maybe there’s an alien civilisation out there that is even more idiotic than ours 👽
Mich Millner (puhn)
Bravefoot, the ability to form social structures had a big impact on the success of the human race to survive so far. We are at risk that the positive aspects of it get lost. Nationalism, religious fanaticism are acid for a humanistic society. Right now it’s more likely we destroy ourselves than we can ever survive on any planet. If any exterior intelligent civilization didn’t show up yet, it’s probably because they know we are not trustworthy 😅
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Bravefoot投稿者
Mich Millner (puhn), true, hopefully we’ll survive long enough to get into the whole Space Colonisation stage 😩 I can’t wait to see the face of those that don’t believe in aliens when we start communicating with other civilisations 😂
Opie ♻️
Bravefoot, we are the defining case for stupidity. We're the ones who are too thick to get our act together and go exploring. Any civilisation more stupid than us is probably on its way out.
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Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, yep! My only hope is that every civilisation has gone through this ‘stupidity’ stage where we’re in, so yes, hopefully we’ll grow out of it 😂
Slowdowngandhi
Little things? 😂 it's the most important question of all. And I can entertain myself with the idea that aliens are so advanced compared to us that they just don't care and they would annihilate us by accident like we were ants.
n12i
So just growing plants on the moon wouldn't create an atmosphere. Theoretically we could take some of the CO2 and use that with combination of plants to create an atmosphere. Although we would also need a magnetic field to protect from solar radiation, since i don't think the earth's protects the moon too. I think it would be a lot more practical to make the moon like a quick stop were people stop to continue to other plants, and then colonize the other plants like mars, since it already has an atmosphere that we can try to transform and possibly frozen water. I guess we could also try to catch a asteroid since it mostly frozen water from what i remember
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Bravefoot投稿者
True true 🤔 I think the moon would be very useful to ‘experiment’ on and see what works and what doesn’t. I wonder how a magnetic field can be created...? Like, dumping lots of metal on the poles...? I really don’t know 😂😂😂
n12i
We could make a coil and pass a lot of current through it haha
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Bravefoot投稿者
n12i, technically sounds about right 👌🏻😂😂
Freistaat
I do strongly believe that mankind has to colonize other planets or their moons to survive in the long run. A natural disaster can swipe us of the face of planet earth anytime. So we have to diversify the risk. I don’t think that terraforming is a realistic option. But artificial habitats are for sure. Of course life there would be completely different from our life on earth, but it would be life.
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Bravefoot投稿者
Agree that sooner or later we’ll have to outgrow this planet 😁 I think the habitations would be easier and a quick solution... but not good for the longterm? Like, so much money would be needed for the continuous building and maintaining of the ‘habitations’, that’s why I believe finding a way to terraform would be the best bet... I wonder if anything will be done in our lifetimes 👀
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Opie ♻️
Freistaat, orbiting cities. Within the Golidlocks zone, possibly spread out in a necklace so that any given satellite is within a day's spaceflight of another.
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Freistaat
Opie ♻️, it’s another part of the solution. But planetary habitats have the advantage of access to mineral resources and water.
Bravefoot投稿者
Opie ♻️, that would be actually very good, so many human-made satellites that can pose as ‘stops’ for travelling 🤔🤔🤔
Opie ♻️
Freistaat, yeah, they'd have to be mining somewhere nearby. Perhaps slow motion removal from the asteroid belt. Haul into closer orbit.
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